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		<title>By: Cigars Fast &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What exactly is a boutique manufacturer?</title>
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		<title>By: Ask The Readers: What is a Premium Cigar? &#124; The Stogie Review</title>
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		<title>By: Dave hanifan</title>
		<link>http://www.stogiereview.com/2008/11/25/what-exactly-is-a-boutique-manufacturer/#comment-60262</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave hanifan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good commentary Walt.  I think to make things simpler, I&#039;d like to leverage off of a piece of the definition for boutique that  Irish Mike provided:

(2) a small company that offers highly specialized services or products

Ok, so using that as a basis for definition, somebody like Pete or Illusione could purchase their own tobacco (high quality, small volume) and then contract out to have it rolled to some standard.  Pretty normal stuff.  But what comes out is a limited number of cigars due to the limited amount of high quality tobacco.  And coupled with great blending and expert rollers, you have what I would consider a boutique cigar.  

As an example, let us take the Padilla Miami cigars.  Padilla was very concerned over the tobacco and eventually separated from Don Pepin because DP changed the blend, in particular the wrapper.  So Padilla is a brand owner however, his attention to the brand and high quality standards would qualify him as a boutique manufacturer (highly specialized product).

As far as the term boutique cigar goes, bleh, just look at CI&#039;s website and everything is boutique.  I think the CI definition would be if it&#039;s hand rolled, it&#039;s boutique.  Which wouldn&#039;t be a bad way to do it quite frankly since hand rolled cigars are specialized and in much lower quantities then machine rolled cigars.  So perhaps what we are really discussing is what&#039;s boutique among boutique products, a boutique squared blend :)

As a personal reflection, I would hesitate to eliminate someone from having a boutique product simply because they hire a contract manufacturer to produce the product.  By using that definition, anyone that doesn&#039;t own the product from seed to cigar would be disqualified and even then only if they had 3 rollers.  Seems way to restrictive.  It&#039;s extremely normal in business to be a system integrator but what is produced is of higher quality and has a better warranty or product guarantee.  

Dave</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good commentary Walt.  I think to make things simpler, I&#8217;d like to leverage off of a piece of the definition for boutique that  Irish Mike provided:</p>
<p>(2) a small company that offers highly specialized services or products</p>
<p>Ok, so using that as a basis for definition, somebody like Pete or Illusione could purchase their own tobacco (high quality, small volume) and then contract out to have it rolled to some standard.  Pretty normal stuff.  But what comes out is a limited number of cigars due to the limited amount of high quality tobacco.  And coupled with great blending and expert rollers, you have what I would consider a boutique cigar.  </p>
<p>As an example, let us take the Padilla Miami cigars.  Padilla was very concerned over the tobacco and eventually separated from Don Pepin because DP changed the blend, in particular the wrapper.  So Padilla is a brand owner however, his attention to the brand and high quality standards would qualify him as a boutique manufacturer (highly specialized product).</p>
<p>As far as the term boutique cigar goes, bleh, just look at CI&#8217;s website and everything is boutique.  I think the CI definition would be if it&#8217;s hand rolled, it&#8217;s boutique.  Which wouldn&#8217;t be a bad way to do it quite frankly since hand rolled cigars are specialized and in much lower quantities then machine rolled cigars.  So perhaps what we are really discussing is what&#8217;s boutique among boutique products, a boutique squared blend <img src='http://www.stogiereview.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As a personal reflection, I would hesitate to eliminate someone from having a boutique product simply because they hire a contract manufacturer to produce the product.  By using that definition, anyone that doesn&#8217;t own the product from seed to cigar would be disqualified and even then only if they had 3 rollers.  Seems way to restrictive.  It&#8217;s extremely normal in business to be a system integrator but what is produced is of higher quality and has a better warranty or product guarantee.  </p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the term &quot;boutique&quot; is used far more frequently by consumers than it is by manufacturers. It seems to me that if we are going to use the term on a  regular basis, shouldn&#039;t we at least define it as a collective?

A quick look at some numbers. The average roller can do 300 cigars per day. So a one man operation can pump out roughly 78,000 cigars per year (5 day work week without holidays). This equates to 3,120 boxes (25 count) per year.

Lets assume that this fictional manufacturer has three rollers and produces roughly 9,000 boxes per year. Do you think that would cover a major city in terms of distribution? I think it comes down to more than small portions of the globe. Many manufacturers can do nationwide distribution, it comes down to shop owners bringing in the product. The more &quot;Boutique&quot; the operation the fewer retailers will be aware of it.

Back to brand &quot;X&quot;. Here we have a guy that has 9,000 boxes per year made. This is about right for a factory with three rollers working year round. Does the small number alone make him &quot;Boutique&quot;?

If so, now lets say that the manufacturer making cigars for this guy is Altadis. Is he still &quot;Boutique&quot;? This same theory is why I can&#039;t see Tatuaje as a boutique brand. I don&#039;t see Pepin as a boutique manufacturer, so how can this non-boutique pump out a boutique brand for Pete?

Personally, I&#039;m finding this discussion very interesting. Every time I just about make up my mind, something else enters the picture and brings light on another perspective.

-Walt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the term &#8220;boutique&#8221; is used far more frequently by consumers than it is by manufacturers. It seems to me that if we are going to use the term on a  regular basis, shouldn&#8217;t we at least define it as a collective?</p>
<p>A quick look at some numbers. The average roller can do 300 cigars per day. So a one man operation can pump out roughly 78,000 cigars per year (5 day work week without holidays). This equates to 3,120 boxes (25 count) per year.</p>
<p>Lets assume that this fictional manufacturer has three rollers and produces roughly 9,000 boxes per year. Do you think that would cover a major city in terms of distribution? I think it comes down to more than small portions of the globe. Many manufacturers can do nationwide distribution, it comes down to shop owners bringing in the product. The more &#8220;Boutique&#8221; the operation the fewer retailers will be aware of it.</p>
<p>Back to brand &#8220;X&#8221;. Here we have a guy that has 9,000 boxes per year made. This is about right for a factory with three rollers working year round. Does the small number alone make him &#8220;Boutique&#8221;?</p>
<p>If so, now lets say that the manufacturer making cigars for this guy is Altadis. Is he still &#8220;Boutique&#8221;? This same theory is why I can&#8217;t see Tatuaje as a boutique brand. I don&#8217;t see Pepin as a boutique manufacturer, so how can this non-boutique pump out a boutique brand for Pete?</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;m finding this discussion very interesting. Every time I just about make up my mind, something else enters the picture and brings light on another perspective.</p>
<p>-Walt</p>
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		<title>By: Dave hanifan</title>
		<link>http://www.stogiereview.com/2008/11/25/what-exactly-is-a-boutique-manufacturer/#comment-60205</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave hanifan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you hit the nail right on the head HomeBrewer.  I think manufacturers want to say boutique as a way to jack up cost just like everything is a limited anniversary cigar produced by the 2-400,000&#039;s (which is NOT limited).  A boutique cigar in my opinion should be a shall shop with tight quality controls or at least good customer support to complain to and a personal interest in keeping it&#039;s clientele happy, i.e. replace the cigar etc.  If a manufacturer has 60+ rollers and buys up so much tobacco where consistency in flavor is impossible, then they&#039;ve graduated beyond boutique in my opinion.  This means that Fuente, Perdoma, Tarano, Rocky, Pepin etc are not boutique.  They may however have some boutique cigars such as Opus X, Decade etc where only a select few rollers that are highly skilled and only limited quality tobacco is selected.  So I&#039;d say the large manufacturers could indeed have boutique cigars that are high quality and consistent but costly due to the trade off of quality vs mass volume.  But the large manufacturers ironically tend to desire $15 dollars or more for such cigars where a true boutique would sell it for $8, i.e. Illusione.  That&#039;s my humble opinion on this fascinating subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you hit the nail right on the head HomeBrewer.  I think manufacturers want to say boutique as a way to jack up cost just like everything is a limited anniversary cigar produced by the 2-400,000&#8242;s (which is NOT limited).  A boutique cigar in my opinion should be a shall shop with tight quality controls or at least good customer support to complain to and a personal interest in keeping it&#8217;s clientele happy, i.e. replace the cigar etc.  If a manufacturer has 60+ rollers and buys up so much tobacco where consistency in flavor is impossible, then they&#8217;ve graduated beyond boutique in my opinion.  This means that Fuente, Perdoma, Tarano, Rocky, Pepin etc are not boutique.  They may however have some boutique cigars such as Opus X, Decade etc where only a select few rollers that are highly skilled and only limited quality tobacco is selected.  So I&#8217;d say the large manufacturers could indeed have boutique cigars that are high quality and consistent but costly due to the trade off of quality vs mass volume.  But the large manufacturers ironically tend to desire $15 dollars or more for such cigars where a true boutique would sell it for $8, i.e. Illusione.  That&#8217;s my humble opinion on this fascinating subject.</p>
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		<title>By: HomeBrewer</title>
		<link>http://www.stogiereview.com/2008/11/25/what-exactly-is-a-boutique-manufacturer/#comment-60196</link>
		<dc:creator>HomeBrewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as long as a manufacturer doesn&#039;t use the title of &quot;boutique&quot; to jack up  their prices then who really cares whether they are boutique or not; IMHO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as long as a manufacturer doesn&#8217;t use the title of &#8220;boutique&#8221; to jack up  their prices then who really cares whether they are boutique or not; IMHO</p>
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		<title>By: Irish Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.stogiereview.com/2008/11/25/what-exactly-is-a-boutique-manufacturer/#comment-60193</link>
		<dc:creator>Irish Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich, I AM part of the forum.  My comment from the original forum is quoted in the actual post by Walt.  So please don&#039;t turn this into an &quot;I&#039;m a member here a SR and your not.&quot;  I was merely pointing out an inconsistency in your statement.  You&#039;re free to have an opinion just make it consistent.  Bad day or not, don&#039;t jump down my throat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich, I AM part of the forum.  My comment from the original forum is quoted in the actual post by Walt.  So please don&#8217;t turn this into an &#8220;I&#8217;m a member here a SR and your not.&#8221;  I was merely pointing out an inconsistency in your statement.  You&#8217;re free to have an opinion just make it consistent.  Bad day or not, don&#8217;t jump down my throat.</p>
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