Comments on: Smoke Lies, and the Nanny State http://www.stogiereview.com/2007/11/13/smoke-lies-and-the-nanny-state/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=smoke-lies-and-the-nanny-state Cigar reviews with a video twist Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:32:38 +0000 hourly 1 By: Dave hanifan http://www.stogiereview.com/2007/11/13/smoke-lies-and-the-nanny-state/#comment-33581 Dave hanifan Tue, 20 Nov 2007 02:11:17 +0000 http://www.stogiereview.com/?p=399#comment-33581 I found the article interesting but I would have preferred his arguments to be framed in statistical data. For example, he states that the EPA performed a flawed study. This is more then likely true of all EPA studies due to the nature of how the secure funding which is they must show some form of grave harm to secure money from other government programs. A simple example I have found to refute the EPA and the harms of smoking (second hand included) is the EPA study on Radon. I created a chart which shows the death rate of Radon at the lowest levels possible to get to and in summary, Radon will even kill by lung cancer a "Never Smoked" at 5.43 times the rate at which people get lung cancer. This is at 2 pCi/L. And if you use the General Population, it's 17.62 times more deaths from Radon induced lung cancer then actually die annually from lung cancer. If you smoke, you've killed your entire lineage, well, your bound to die at a rate of 49.22 times the rate of lung cancer from lung cancer. But don't worry, your in good company with those that never smoked since they are dieing at far higher rates from lung cancer then those that actually die from lung cancer. I can email you the spread sheet and the references to the Center for Disease control as data backup if anyone wishes as well as the references to the EPA web site. So, now that it's understood that the EPA will not only exaggerate but will indeed lie in order to generate hysteria to fund it's budget over something as insignificant as Radon, imagine what they will do to try and capture billions from the tabacco industry? They might even lie there??? So while I prefer raw data to back up arguments, I have to disagree with Chris that the essay is pure crap. But I would agree it's almost as verbose as my response :P Dave I found the article interesting but I would have preferred his arguments to be framed in statistical data. For example, he states that the EPA performed a flawed study. This is more then likely true of all EPA studies due to the nature of how the secure funding which is they must show some form of grave harm to secure money from other government programs.

A simple example I have found to refute the EPA and the harms of smoking (second hand included) is the EPA study on Radon.

I created a chart which shows the death rate of Radon at the lowest levels possible to get to and in summary, Radon will even kill by lung cancer a “Never Smoked” at 5.43 times the rate at which people get lung cancer. This is at 2 pCi/L. And if you use the General Population, it’s 17.62 times more deaths from Radon induced lung cancer then actually die annually from lung cancer. If you smoke, you’ve killed your entire lineage, well, your bound to die at a rate of 49.22 times the rate of lung cancer from lung cancer. But don’t worry, your in good company with those that never smoked since they are dieing at far higher rates from lung cancer then those that actually die from lung cancer.

I can email you the spread sheet and the references to the Center for Disease control as data backup if anyone wishes as well as the references to the EPA web site.

So, now that it’s understood that the EPA will not only exaggerate but will indeed lie in order to generate hysteria to fund it’s budget over something as insignificant as Radon, imagine what they will do to try and capture billions from the tabacco industry? They might even lie there???

So while I prefer raw data to back up arguments, I have to disagree with Chris that the essay is pure crap. But I would agree it’s almost as verbose as my response :P

Dave

]]> By: Jabba http://www.stogiereview.com/2007/11/13/smoke-lies-and-the-nanny-state/#comment-33231 Jabba Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:34:56 +0000 http://www.stogiereview.com/?p=399#comment-33231 I'm interested also Chris I’m interested also Chris

]]> By: Billy http://www.stogiereview.com/2007/11/13/smoke-lies-and-the-nanny-state/#comment-33135 Billy Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:27:53 +0000 http://www.stogiereview.com/?p=399#comment-33135 Chris, why do you think that? Before you answer, I'm not trying to flame you, or disagree with your view; I would just like to know your reasoning for dismissing it so easily. Chris, why do you think that? Before you answer, I’m not trying to flame you, or disagree with your view; I would just like to know your reasoning for dismissing it so easily.

]]> By: Chris http://www.stogiereview.com/2007/11/13/smoke-lies-and-the-nanny-state/#comment-33098 Chris Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:44:12 +0000 http://www.stogiereview.com/?p=399#comment-33098 I have to say as much as I enjoy an occasional cigar that essay is pure crap. I have to say as much as I enjoy an occasional cigar that essay is pure crap.

]]> By: Jabba http://www.stogiereview.com/2007/11/13/smoke-lies-and-the-nanny-state/#comment-33022 Jabba Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:53:46 +0000 http://www.stogiereview.com/?p=399#comment-33022 Thanks Walt, that was a great piece. We smokers have to start fighting to get our rights back. Thanks Walt, that was a great piece. We smokers have to start fighting to get our rights back.

]]> By: Billy http://www.stogiereview.com/2007/11/13/smoke-lies-and-the-nanny-state/#comment-33018 Billy Wed, 14 Nov 2007 05:18:11 +0000 http://www.stogiereview.com/?p=399#comment-33018 This guy is Pure genius. Ignorance is bliss in America. IMHO, this is only the beginning of the efforts for total eradication of our basic personal human rights. This is blindingly apparent to those who can open their eyes and put two and two together! Stogie Review rules. Keep 'em coming guys! This guy is Pure genius. Ignorance is bliss in America. IMHO, this is only the beginning of the efforts for total eradication of our basic personal human rights. This is blindingly apparent to those who can open their eyes and put two and two together!

Stogie Review rules. Keep ‘em coming guys!

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